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				<title>Perceptions of Evil, by Dan D&#039;Alimonte: Carreas location</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2023 05:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>To update the wiki, does anyone know where Carreas is located?</p> 
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				<title>Lothanasi Order (The Lightbringers): </title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2021 08:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>Rimme</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>3380819</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>The Dark side are called Moranasi, and they should probably be moved to their own page. Same with the Imps, Gremlins, Hounds, Wraiths, and the Fallen.</p> <p>Frankly, there should be more information here on how the Lightbringer Order, as a human institution, functions in society, and what sort of duties and responsibilities they have to the gods and to their believers. How do lay people participate in their faith? What sort of stories are told about the gods, and how much creativity is allowed in them (given that most Lothanasi never see the gods)? What sort of rituals do they have for birth, adulthood, marriage, or death? Why are they so tolerant of magic? Is it an ancient occurrence, or a modern &quot;PR move&quot; against the Ecclesia?</p> 
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				<title>Lothanasi Order (The Lightbringers): </title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2021 08:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The page starts out talking about the pantheon as &quot;Lightbringers&quot; yet how do the evil/dark side Daedra qualify as light <em>bringers</em>? Shouldn't there be an equivalent opposing term separating them by name from the good side Aedra?</p> 
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				<title>Publication History: </title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2020 01:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>How about this?</p> <p>I'll split up &quot;non-canon&quot; into two parts. One for those stories that are explicitly non-canon (think Fox Dragonrite), and one for stories that are of uncertain status (like Stealthcat's 4 stories). And I'll add another color for earlier drafts of stories, I know there was some additional confusion regarding that.</p> 
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				<title>Publication History: </title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2020 03:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
				<wikidot:authorName>MishaFox</wikidot:authorName>				<wikidot:authorUserId>5254</wikidot:authorUserId>				<content:encoded>
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						 <p>Some stories are just never going to be canon. But unless we can get an authors permission we cannot make the others canon.</p> 
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				<title>Publication History: </title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2020 00:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>The distinction I used was &quot;is it a story on the archive?&quot; :P</p> <p>As someone who's read the update notes on the mailing lists&#8230; it is complicated. &quot;Background&quot; is non-canon because it made Thomas a gendermorph. &quot;Long Live the King&quot; was an attempted correction to make THAT Thomas be the father of the current Thomas&#8230; but after &quot;Malvoisin&quot;, it was easier to just make them non-canon.</p> <p>When the archive was first created by Lovebear, she asked everyone for permission to include their stories. Some authors, from what I can tell, forgot to give permission (i.e. Eric Rossing and Cerulean; Jon Sleeper at first) Some authors did, but later retracted their stories, because they wanted to rewrite them and never did (&quot;Geneses&quot; and &quot;Leonidus&quot;). And some weren't added because, although other people were referring to them in-canon, they weren't technically finished (&quot;Distant Voices&quot;, &quot;From the Shadows&quot;).</p> <p>As of now, stories are only canon if the author sends the story to the MK webmaster. I don't know if it's a hard rule to submit it to a mailing list first so that the community can beta-read it, but most people do anyway. I would guess that most authors from 2002 onward forgot to send it in.</p> <p>I know what you're thinking, Misha. Could we add some of these &quot;noncanon&quot; stories into canon? There's no reason why not, just look at &quot;Reflections&quot; and &quot;Coming Home&quot;. There are two hurdles, though:</p> <p>1) Can the author be contacted to give permission? And will they give permission?<br /> 2) Do the stories fit with canon nowadays? I'm&#8230; still kinda embarrassed about preemptively adding the second half of &quot;Penance and Retribution&quot; into canon, when it involved a darkling invasion of Metamor that killed many, followed two weeks later by a surge of Hipoccian refugees settling in the valley, both of which went unmentioned for the rest of MK (at least Oren's follow-up stories mentioned the Hipoccians).</p> <p>I actually was going to write a post to the mailing list, regarding a few noncanon stories I'd read that I feel have merit: the MK Histories by Oren the Otter; Misanthrope&quot; and &quot;Father Figure&quot; by Firemane; &quot;Sunday&quot; by Bill Kieffer; and the 2012 revision of &quot;A Taur's Tail&quot; by Stephen Tigner.</p> <p>And while we were at it, if someone could reassess the impressively longer stories to see how they fit in canon: &quot;Dead of Winter&quot;, &quot;Fire and Ice&quot;, &quot;Meeting at Caralore&quot;, and &quot;Menace of the Malachites&quot; by Volk-Oboroten; &quot;William and Emily&quot; by ShazerFox; &quot;Two for the Price of One&quot;, &quot;The Spotting of a Knight&quot;, and &quot;New Lessons to Learn and Old Ones to Teach&quot; by Kamau.</p> <p>(I did take a cursory glance at &quot;Menace of the Malachites&quot;, and it seems it might conflict with &quot;Llyn's Tribulations&quot; regarding Lik. Just throwing that out there.)</p> 
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				<title>Publication History: </title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2020 05:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>It all depends on the story. Generally the proofers/beta readers determine if it is accepted as canonical or not.<br /> Issues such as:<br /> Is that how [this or that] works in the setting? Such as the Church, for instance.<br /> Are certain 'well known' characters used directly or in passing there to have been a part of the story.<br /> Does the story have drastic impacts on the setting.</p> <p>It's complicated, and usually writers will adjust their stories to fit within what has already been accepted as canonical.</p> 
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>i have a question. How the was the Canon/Noncanon decision made?</p> 
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				<title>Curse: Major rewrite</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2018 06:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Hey everyone! I thought that the Curse page needed a major rewrite, considering that information was spread across both this page and Writer's Guidelines. So I've recompiled everything onto one page and divided them into sections to address every single aspect of the Curse.</p> <p>Because I'm afraid of coming off as presumptuous, I've kept every word of both articles, and added missing bits of info that I've gathered from various discussions and stories I've seen. However, I have no real idea of how accepted these ideas are, so I've put all my additions <span style="text-decoration: underline;">in underline</span>. If nobody has any objections, I'll remove them in a week. Eventually, I'd like to clean up some of the old text as well and polish the whole article. But I'd like to hear if anyone has any comments or critiques.</p> 
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				<title>Mk mages guild: Re: Corrections?</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2017 09:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>We can make a list of non-guild masters too but I'm specifically asking about guild affiliated masters (and perhaps later, journeymen), whether active or keeping their distance from Kuna in the year or so since WA.</p> 
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				<title>Mk mages guild: Re: Corrections?</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2017 21:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Well, there are Masters (and even Adepts) within Metamor that are not official members of any guild.</p> <p>Rickkter being one - actually, following WA he would essentially be an Adept Master though he would not have anyone to administer such a test of skill to establish his rank.</p> <p>Other than Morigund, there are no mages of sufficient rank to administer any tests of advancement until the local guild has Adept Grand Masters of its own.</p> <p>Murikeer is another, and as the Duke's counsel for all things Magic would be de-facto liaison between the throne and any guild of magic users. Rickkter elevated him to Master rank in the autumn of 706. He refuses to be a member of any guild directly, nor confined by their bylaws. He would not attempt to control any guild or define how it functions, insofar as it does not impede or threaten the people of Metamor, its leadership, or attempt to manipulate any market in magical items for their own benefit at the detriment of trade.</p> <p>In short, mage guilds would have deal with him rather than the Duke.</p> <p>By 710 Kozaithy will be a Master in her own right, guildless as well.</p> <p>Neither of them would establish their own guild, however, though would establish a school which would train guild members along with those without guilds. As Malger is the school's patron costs of training would be manageable - supplemented with trade in items finished during training (minor enchanted items).</p> 
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				<title>Mk mages guild: Corrections?</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2017 00:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Are any of the listed masters not yet raised to master (do you know when they will)? Are any listed not (yet) members (and when)? At this point I'm referring to early 708 but anything within a couple years of that can be mentioned.</p> <p>Are apprentices and journeymen admitted as guild members or are they just there under their masters' memberships?</p> 
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				<title>Clackerdog: </title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2016 03:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>No need to worry - that is perfectly fine! I am curious to see them in your story.</p> 
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				<title>Clackerdog: </title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2016 16:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>This is a new creature I created for my stories, when I post you will be introduced to them, and I plan to have them more fleshed out as I go. This includes a story I will write later showing how they came to be and why. Suffice to say they are not a natural creature,the story they are in was supposed to be the first time they are seen, and they are encountered far to the south-east just inside the curses borders.</p> <p>If this is not okay I/you can take them down and I will change it in the story to omit them. Sorry, I got really excited about these critters, I should have asked before editing the site.</p> 
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				<title>Clackerdog: </title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2016 15:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Nasty critter. Where do they live?</p> 
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				<title>Dragon: Re: Natural and Keeper dragons</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2016 12:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>In some, but not all ways, I would agree. I think all of the longer lived races that interact with Metamor and other human places realize that whatever relationship they build will be fleeting. The relationship would be comparable to ours with pets. We know we will outlive them but still we enter into those relationship. I would tend to think that it would depend on the temperament of each dragon as to how and how many such relationships they might have.</p> <p>I agree with what you said for the most part about elder dragons. True, from birth dragons I think would have less desire to enter into this type of relationship while younger ones would do so more freely until they had experienced the loss of some they became close to. Still I think a few would continue to enter into the relationship either out of desire for a diversion from their normal lives or out of desire to comfort/care for a weaker creature.</p> <p>The question of relationship and friendship will be something I hope to develop with Tychichus as I put some more depth into his character. For that matter it will also have to enter into Rorlyn's character as well due to gryphons having a longer life span than human, though shorter than dragons.</p> <p>This is something that certainly can lend itself to some great development and interplay within the MK universe.</p> 
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				<title>Dragon: Re: Natural and Keeper dragons</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2016 10:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I think they would be seen as not truly dragons until they've lived a good long time and had to let go of their once human attachments. Although I'm never going to get to write it, one of the things I had intended for Lindsey who is now fully a dragon through unnatural means (Calephas's potions), is that over time he will have to spend less and less time around other humans and more and more time around other dragons so that he can grasp the reality that human lives are fleeting compared to a dragon and what it means to have friends for a time, but only a time. This is one reason I have always imagined that it is the younger dragons like Pharcellus who offer their services to Metamor and Whales, and other friendly places; they are still young and have not fully absorbed this reality. It is a reality that naturally makes them aloof to prevent them from being hurt.</p> <p>An old dragon proverb: &quot;Dalliances with humans end in tragedies for dragons.&quot;</p> <p>So I suspect the Keeper dragons will for a generation or two be viewed as having the maturity of a young dragon at best even if they appear much older. After a few generations and they've started to grasp the consequence of a dragon's life, those that turn to the dragons for guidance will be welcomed and taught. Some may hold out longer, but I imagine that all of them eventually will end up living as do other dragons once all that they knew and loved as humans has passed.</p> <p><em>Dominus tecum</em></p> 
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				<title>Dragon: Re: Natural and Keeper dragons</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2016 03:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>Sure the Keepers would be recognized by natural dragons as transformed/unnatural. But I don't think <em>how or where they live</em> would have anything to do with whether they're accepted as dragons, I'd think it would be more of an issue of prejudice or acceptance toward those who didn't start out life as a dragon. Remember, Pharcellus, Heraclitus and Cerulean spend a lot of time with humans/Keepers. Do others accept them any less?</p> 
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				<title>Dragon: Re: Natural and Keeper dragons</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2016 12:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I would agree with Misha especially the Keepers being know as transformed not natural dragons. I'm sure there would be a certain level of caution at least as they first appeared but general acceptance. I would also think that the greater acceptance would be for those new dragons who lived more closely to the ways of natural dragons. By this I mean living in the mountains and staying mostly removed from human contact.</p> 
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				<title>Dragon: Re: Natural and Keeper dragons</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2016 07:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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						 <p>I would think Cerulean would be opening and welcoming to the new dragons.</p> <p>But one thought is I'm sure that natural dragons would recognize a Keeper dragon right away.</p> 
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